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In California, the number of children in foster care increased more than 400%, from 32,288 in 1983 to 175,000 in 2003.

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Wednesday, July 04, 2007

Post Parental Termination
Lost Forever to her Family

I am trying to find out information on couples having more children after they have had involuntary parental termination. In other words, if they have more children, will they automatically loose those children or not.

Can the state, that stole their children through Termination of Parental Rights (TPR) process, then take action to abduct subsequent children, even if the parents move to another state to have children?

Even if you don't know the answer, would you have any ideas on how to find this information, as I have searched the web and can find nothing on post TPR.

Thanks, Daniel

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posted by Annette M. Hall @ 7/04/2007 02:02:00 PM

15 Comments:

At July 04, 2007 2:38 PM, Blogger Annette M. Hall wrote...
Dear Daniel,

In many cases the state will take an aggressive stand and attempt to remove any additional children born to TPR'd parents. That is not always the case but it happens none the less.

Unfortunately, this common practice has caught many parents off guard.

If a couple is collecting state aid, medical benefits and/or food stamps, their case records are transfered to the new state and the state will be aware of the past TPR. Whether or not the state workers choose to act is a toss-up depending on their current caseload and the reasons for TPR.

I know of one young lady who is determined to have a home birth, in a new state, simply to avoid detection and the possible removal of her child by the state.

While home birth can be perfectly safe that is not always the case. It is important to have a well prepared support team available in case of complications to protect the health of the mother and her newborn child. A Doula can be consulted for a home birth.

I will attempt to find additional information for you.

Best wishes to you in the future. Thanks for writing.

Anyone else have any first- or secondhand experience with Post TPR matters?  
At August 23, 2007 12:14 AM, Blogger tina1972 wrote...
i have a grandaughter that is classified as medicaly fragile. she is only 11 months old but when she was 6 months old she was at ohsu oregon science health university and a nurse said that she smelled something odd when she walked in our room and reported it to the police,we willingly underwent there investigation because we have nothing to hide fine we offered to do u.a. even offered hair and nail samples they accused of drug use dropping drugs in the hallways just anything they even kicked us off the property and took my granddaughter under police custody which is the same thing as tpr am i correct!well cps didnt tell us that we had a hearing that morning but we figured it out anyways,judgement was for my kids they won the baby back the judge even apoligised to my kids for any problems it may have caused that was at the first hearing in which i was told nothing would be determinded but does that count as a tpr if a judge decideds that they had no merit to take a child in the first place i ask cus i have 2 grandbabys now and well they never went away realy this is are 7th visit from them but can they take junior away along with my granddaughter please help  
At September 24, 2007 11:29 PM, Anonymous Jamie wrote...
Although I don't know what will happen in most states, I am facing this in my state. I have a previous TPR and in that had a second case where I was allowed to keep my youngest child, met all of my requirements and had my case closed. I left that county 2 years later and had another baby. The new county decided that the first had made a mistake, and obviously didn't deserve to have my children. They were finally taken in February of this year, I have not been allowed visitation or anything, they are trying to get something called aggrivated circumstances, which basically means they don't have to provide any reunification services or visitation. After 7 months, my children still are in seperate foster homes, my family is trying to get them but it doesn't seem to be moving along, and they are still not providing any services, instead the hearing to decide if they get there way keeps getting continued with my children hanging in the balance.  
At October 01, 2007 10:26 PM, Anonymous Dee wrote...
TPR means termination of parental rights, if your child was temporarily taken, then returned I don't think that counts. If you relinquished a child even voluntarily, they can grab your new born. That could happen anyway, if CPS is called to the hospital. They track you through your social security number. Does anybody know how a person can check to see if they have been entered in an abuse registry?  
At October 18, 2007 2:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...
I am a social worker in KS. I know that here if you have your rights terminated on than yes, if you have another child the hospital will notify CPS and another investigation will be done and more than likely your child will be taken away. CPS opperates off the District Attorneys Office. Most of the time the DA'S office tells the CPS workers to put the new born into Police Protective Custody if a previous case has been terminated on. I know if you go about hiding your future pregnancy than if any concerns come up later in that child's life and you are reported to CPS than they will most likely take that child away, just not at birth or course. I think that would be more painful because you would have a bond astablished with that child and that would effect the child more being torn away from a parent and home later in life than at birth. Not saying it's not rough on children at birth but they will be more apt to be adopted by a family at such a young age and not have to endure the foster care system.  
At October 20, 2007 7:39 AM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...
My son was taking from me and giving to his father who walked out and left me to take care of him alone. It all started when I had discipline my son back on April 3, 2006 and I sent him to school the next day. Just to let you know I then was about 5 months with child. His teacher had been calling me all week about him not doing his work and it looked like he was not going to the next grade. I ask her to seen his work home and I will make sure he do it. Not knowing his father had told him if I beat or hit him to call him and they will send me to jail. So it happened and when I went to get him that day from school the CPS and the local sheriff officer was their. I had no idea what was going on till I was arrested for Child aburse He had to marks on his But. I went to court that whole year. I did everything I was told to do to get him back. They had change my last court date time they told me to come at 9:00am on August 27th then I received a letter telling me to be their at 1:00pm when I got their at 1:00pm they had the hearing at 9:00 and since then I was off track since that day. To make a long story short I lost my son to his father. And since that day back on April 5 2006 I have not seen nor have a visit from the Child Protective Services at all. They didn't come to see my other children to see if they to be being abuse as well. I don’t have a history or abuse or a record. I just feel like the system set you up to fail they give you things to do so that you can get your kids back and then tell you tat you lost you rights. What is going on?  
At November 27, 2007 9:19 AM, Blogger brandi wrote...
hello my name is brandy hutto earlier this year my rights were terminated after a 2 year investigation. i terminated them myself so that i would not have an open case when my son who i was 6 months pregnant with was born and i am very close to the precious foster mother who is now adopteing my girls. i do still get to see them.i had my son in another state and i never got to leave the hospital with him, but i am fighting for him now and i have a very good chance of getting him back because i know what i am up against this time and i was prepared for it all. the last time i fought them and didnt want to do anything they asked because i was angry because it wasnt right it wasnt fair and its not fair this time either but its the way it is and u have to do what u have to do. so keep faith if ur ready u can handle it and be back with ur baby in no time. and MOST important get a good lawyer it makes all the difference.  
At January 16, 2008 10:29 AM, Anonymous ilovemykids wrote...
I HEARD BY LAWYERS IN MY STATE WHICH IS MN. THAT CPS CANT COME AND TAKE ANY KIDS AWAY THAT YOU HAVE THE FUTURE. EVEN IF YOUR PARENTAL RIGHTS WERE TERMINATED REGARDING ANY PAST CHILDREN. THEY SAID THE ONLY WAY THEY COULD COME AND TAKE THEM IS IF SOMEBODY CALLED THE AUTHORITIES ON YOU REGARDING THE NEW KID YOU HAVE. BECAUSE THEY SAY ITS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT SITUATION. LIKE YOUR STARTING OVER BUT I DONT KNOW IF I BUY THAT.BECAUSE IVE HEARD THEY CAN JUST COME AND TAKE THEM. I DONT TRUST CPS AT ALL!!! NO MATTER WHAT STATE YOU LIVE IN!!! THEY CANT BE TRUSTED. IF ME AND MY WIFE GOT OUR PARENTAL RIGHTS TAKEN AWAY. AND WE WANTED TO HAVE MORE KIDS I WOULD LEAVE THE COUNTRY FIRST AND ASSUME A NEW IDENTITY AND GO TO A COUNTRY THAT HAS NO EXTRADITION TREATY WITH THE US. LIKE SOME SOUTH AMERICAN COUNTRIES. THE ONE HUGO CHAVES RUNS CANT THINK OF WHICH ONE IT IS RIGHT OFF HAND BUT THATS WHAT I WOULD DO.  
At January 26, 2008 7:56 PM, Anonymous mominpain wrote...
I had 5 kids taken in CA and then thei tryed to use past record to take my twins i finaly got lucky and got a juge that saw though it i must worn that might try i would have to say move far far away from where it happend  
At February 10, 2008 1:07 AM, Anonymous LISA wrote...
you know, people, we really should all get together and fight against our "corrupted" government..don't you people know that when cps (children protective services) takes a child from parents, voluntarilly, parent automatically looses rights of child??? If you say NO to have CPS conduct an investigation against you, or, if you say NO you cannot take my child WITHOUT A WARRANT OR COURT ORDER, GET THE HELL OUT OF MY LIFE.. they will go away..most of time; I've known 3 women who told CPS to get off their property and get out of their lives.

If you sign a "15 day consent order" to have CPS TAKE YOUR CHILD into their custody, you are signing your child's death certificate that very moment in time....

SAY NO...SAY: STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM MY CHILDREN....

NEVER EVER GIVE THEM THE RIGHT TO HAVE YOUR CHILDREN..FIGHT AGAINST THEM FROM DAY ONE....TAKE IT FROM SOMEONE'S WHO HAS BEEN DOWN THAT ROAD...NOW THEY HAVE MY SON'S CHILDREN!!! AND THEY WONT LET ME SEE THEM!!! AND MY SON NEVER WENT INTO FOSTER CARE 20 YRS AGO, LIKE THEY TESTIFY TODAY AT MY SON'S COURT HEARING...CPS WORKERS LIE TO GET YOU TO HAND THEM OVER YOUR CHILDREN!!! WHY? MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY

EVERY TIME A CHILD MOVES INTO FOSTER CARE, CPS GETS 2000 BONUS; NOW FED LAW TO HAVE CHILD ADOPTED AFTER BEING IN FOSTER HOME FOR 15 MONTHS...AND CPS GETS 5000 EVERY TIME A CHILD STAYS IN FOSTER CARE LONGER THAN 15 MONTHS...THE CPS GETS THE MONEY, NOT THE FOSTER CARE PARENT..AND WHEN CHILD GETS ADOPTED BY FOSTER PARENT, THE CPS GETS AN ADDITIONAL 2000....

DO THE MATH:WHILE YOUR CHILD IS IN "PROTECTIVE CUSTODY" WITH CPS, THE CHILDREN ARE ACTUALLY BEING USED FOR THIS GOVERNMENT AGENCY TO OBTAIN MORE AND MORE "FUNDS" FROM OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT..

AND WHO DO WE THANK FOR THIS MESS?

WHY, MR. WILLIAM CLINTON, THAT'S WHO!!!

DIDNT HIS WIFE ONCE WRITE A BOOK CALLED, "IT TAKES A VILLAGE?"

ISNT HIS WIFE NOW APPLYING TO US, THE PEOPLE OF THE U (as)S OF A TO VOTE FOR HER...??? SO SHE CAN CONTINUE THE WONDERFUL WORK SHE STARTED WHILE BEING A FIRST LADY...OR BY HELPING HUBBY RUN THE COUNTRY WHILE HE WAS "NOT HAVEING SEX WITH THAT WOMAN?"

PEOPLE, START RESEARCHING: CHECK THE BILLS THAT BILL CLINTON PASSED... CHECK YOUR OWN STATES' PASSING OF BILLS: OUR STATES AND OUR FED GOVERNMENT HAD GIVEN A BRANCH OF OUR GOVERNMENT, LAUGHINGLY CALLLED, CHILDREN PROTECTIVE SERVICES, A LOT OF POWER TO CONTROL OUR OWN CHILDREN, WHICH IS A VIOLATION OF OUR 17TH AMENDMENT.....

READ PEOPLE READ...READ...READ...  
At April 22, 2008 5:36 AM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...
CPS will not leave me alone. I am not sure if my neighbors are calling them or if they have me on thier radar. There was n accidental fire at my house and they took my son. I got him back because I faught tooth and nail. Now they just can't come up with enough reasons to threaten me and make demands. They need to go focus thier efforts on people who really abuse children. They have turned the system into a financial industry at the cost of families and thier children.  
At April 26, 2008 8:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...
I have been reading up on how the courts and judges are literally kidnapping our children through the "No spanking" law. I was told I was not alone and I see the horrific evidence as I search for answers to regain custody of my own two children who were taken from me for this very law. We need to know that there is a petition for this right now to have an amendment to the constitution for parental rights to be protected under false allegations of child abuse when it is really simply discipline. I signed it online. Sorry, but I forget the site name but I believe it is parentsrights.org. I'm sure it can be found through Google. I have become desperate in trying to find someone to help me before my children are adopted. Please for all of us parents who lovingly disciplined their children but were accused of abuse please search out this site and sign it too. It is our only hope of securing our family's future for our beloved children and grandchildren and so on.  
At May 25, 2008 8:20 AM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...
This is a huge issue. Many at DSS feel that any spanking is abuse. Corporal punnishment is a term used for any physical contact used to discipline. The issue is that this means that even a simple swat or two on the fleshy part of the bottom is considered abuse. A swat or two to the bottom is quite effective in most cases and it is NOT abusive to use this reasonable form of discipline. Unfortunately, most of our children are fed that line that any form of physical contact used to discipline is wrong and actually go to school officials to report abuse. How many of us have had our lives turned upside down because our children, mad at us, lied to school administration? I was told once that it is never reasonable to yell at your children - I beg your pardon, that child was kicking and biting her sister at the moment. My immediate reaction was to yell NO and swat her on the bottom for her violence. By the current standards of DSS, that was abusive to the child in the wrong. What about the child subjected to the violence?

As parents, we must use whatever reasonable forms of discipline we have to ensure correction of poor behavior. While not a proponent for using a tool such as a belt or paddle, a couple of swats to the bottom using an open hand is not abuse!  
At June 29, 2008 9:34 PM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...
oh yes they can and will even if you relinquish rights before they will still come steal your baby! I know I've been living that exact nightmare for 5 years now.I wish you all the luck in the world and hope you achieve better results than I did.  
At October 07, 2008 10:14 AM, Anonymous Anonymous wrote...
I'm sure this will not be a welcome post - but I'll leave it anyway. I see things from the opposite side. I adopted 3 kids from Social Services. My kids were CLEARLY abused - many scars, sexual stuff, profound neglect (locked in a room naked, starving, etc.). There is absolutely no question about what they've suffered. Birthmom has serious issues, obviously, but we've decided to maintain contact with her on some level. We found out that she now has a 2 year old who is going through the same crap. We called CPS to try to get a real investigation started and were told that even though she has had 3 involuntary TPRs, this subsequent child will be treated with a clean slate. In the mean time, we KNOW that he is being abused and nothing is being done. So, my heart goes out to all of you who have had your kids taken without just cause, I know there are lots of kids who should be taken who aren't. Where is the balance in the system?  

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